God has given each of his children natural born gifts and abilities but what about personal convictions? What about those feelings deep down that tell you that you were made for more? Where do those come from? Do you suppose that God uses natural abilities, spiritual gifts and life’s experiences to create in us the hope for change we’d like to see in this world?
In the latest episode of the BLESS Podcast; Gary Kendall and guest Brian Phipps share some of the convictions that God has placed within them.
Gary states that his core convictions would be” to re-teach people how to be a friend, how to make friends for Jesus, and how to talk about Jesus inside relationships.”
I found while listening, my heart personally cries for the lost/far from God, the addicts, or recovering. My heart is for those who are running from the screams of the world, which tell them to do more and care less. My prayer, for at least the last year, has been for the Lord to sit me in inner circles with people who feel disenfranchised. I don’t want to take all that Christ has done for me and hide it for safekeeping.
Pastor and author Brian Phipps says it like this, “Jesus does not just want you to fill his churches, and he wants you to fill the world with his presence.” He even gives us a way to apply this. He suggested “to pray big and obey small.” Pray big prayers to God. Ask him anything and then when given an opportunity even a small one, go with it and watch God move.
Some of my favorite places in the Bible are when people can see Jesus sitting with the outsider(s) and everyone is questioning his agenda. Jesus was always caught in surprising circles and I believe that’s no accidental trend. Time and time again you’ll find Jesus shooting the breeze with the underdog.
Evangelism is not every follower’s gift, but He has commanded each follower to go and make disciples by sharing the Good news that is; the Savior of humanity has come, receiving our wounds and suffering death for our sins.
We may never reach those on the outside if we keep Jesus as a buried treasure on the inside.
Brian explains his God dream to go from 50 disciple-making movements in Kansas City to 50 cities with 50 disciple-making movements by 2040. He now uses a poker chip as a handy reminder to “go all-in” for Jesus.
If you find yourself still unsure of your gifts, passions and story (GPS), take Brian’s free online assessment to help you identify your unique calling at http://www.giftspassionstory.com. You can also pick up a copy of his book, Find your Place.
It turns out Brian and I have similar convictions. Brian talks about the time in his life where he found himself “straddling a fence.” He also shares the steps he took to follow his convictions.
Donna: Welcome to the B.L.E.S.S. podcast, where we join Jesus, where He is already at work. We dream of the day when every home in America is adopted by one or more persons living the pray, care, and share lifestyle. Your host is Gary Kendall catalyst for Love KC and the National Prayer mobilizer for Blesseveryhome.com.
Gary works with founder Chris Cooper and the team at Blesseveryhome.com to equip you to live on mission where you live, learn, work, and, play. If you haven’t yet signed up to adopt your neighborhood you can do so at Blesseveryhome.com. Now let’s turn our attention to this episode of the BLESS podcast.
Gary: Welcome to the B.L.E.S.S. podcast where we join Jesus where He’s already at work, where we live, learn, work and play. We hope that as you listen, you’ll be both equipped and inspired to live this life where you are replicating the lifestyle of Jesus in everyday life.
If you’ve been listening, you know that we like to bring on people who are the regular, everyday follower of Jesus who would have no title behind his name and tell stories and then we also bring on people who have written a book or they’re leading a ministry and we kind of run the balance between the two.
Today’s guest, Brian Phipps, would say, I’m just a regular guy, and you are in many ways. I’ve really enjoyed becoming a friend of yours and being a part of the Leaders Made group that you are leading. But I also know that God has used you, is using you, and now is taking you into some brand new things as an author and a national leader. So, let me introduce Brian Phipps.
Brian, tell us a little bit about who you are and what you’re doing–including your latest venture.
Brian: What a pleasure to be with you here, Gary. I enjoy your friendship as well, and your mentorship. It’s a delight for me to hear stories from all the guys in our DM group that talk about how valuable your presence is in their lives.
Brian: You pray for them and care for them, and you have shared great wisdom, and we’ve all been blessed for it, so thank you.
I’ve been a church planter. I’ve been a Discipleship pastor. I have been a Lead Pastor and about a year ago stepped away from a wonderful role at a wonderful church here in Kansas City to found a not-for-profit called Disciples Made. Disciples Made is a not-for-profit that provides online resources for disciple making and coaching to help optimize people’s leadership. So that’s kind of what I’m doing right now trying to figure all that out.
Gary: Yeah, that’s great. It’s a big leap of faith. I commend you for that.
Brian: Extraordinary. Thank you.
Gary: What’s fun about it for me is, you’re telling stories, and you’re equipping and leading out of a life where you are practicing what you preach. So you’re not talking about theory out there as much as you’re talking about—hey, this is what I’ve actually done. This is how it works and you can do it too.
So, maybe swing back to what it was that motivated you to take this step. You chose to focus on missional living. You started out with a more traditional church background. Then there was this growing awareness inside of you that there’s something more, something different out there. And you actually took a turn into missional living and are teaching others to do the same.
Brian: Right. That was a very gradual thing, Gary. I’d love to be able to point like Moses could to his burning bush and say this was the aha moment.
I think from very early on in my conversion I wanted people to know the transforming love of God, period. Just put a period right there and leave it.
Brian: It was not long after my conversion that I went to seminary. Early in ministry I started hearing stats about the generational drop off of people who participated in church. This was really alarming to me.
Gary: Yes it is.
Brian: To me, it wasn’t the end of the church; it was the end of Jesus’ potential to bring the same change in other people’s lives that He brought to mine. So I started to pursue that what was causing the gap and tried to continue being more effective within the church walls. That, to me, was the very best we could do.
Gary: Yeah. I get it.
Brian: I think that’s where a lot of people are. If that’s where you are, thank you for being there. You could not care, right?
But then I read this book called, Beyond the Box, and it gave me this kind of context, or this concept, where what you think is the whole world is just a small part of the world and you are in your box, and you haven’t broken out of it yet. Well, I’m on my 35th box with this now, and I’m having a new awareness of what is.
One of the biggest ones that took place was when I planted a church. We decided we wanted to be a church for those that were unchurched or de-churched. My relationships were primarily around people that were unchurched or de-churched and not churched. Then I saw the extraordinary disconnect between the church that I was very familiar with, the language, the norms, the behaviors, and the expectations–all those things that the people on the outside saw.
I cared so much for the people outside that I found myself straddling a fence in how to reach them. Then I get to Westside Family Church here in Kansas City. There I found a lot of freedom to go after groups of people like that. I started to build systems of disciple making that enabled and empowered people to live more missionally. So, again, I was straddling. I was still kind of inside the system but building systems to help train people to live outside. So I got kind of the best of both worlds.
But in this latest venture, I would say I’m jumping entirely out of that system and just trying to figure out which box I’m up against next.
Gary: Diving into the deep end, sort of.
Brian: Yeah in a way, but hooked on that simple fact that Jesus wants to get inside of the homes, the living rooms, where there’s fighting going on in families and families are starting to break apart. Jesus wants to get in there and change this. I do not want to be in the way. I want to make a difference.
Gary: Yeah, I couldn’t agree more. I mean you know a little bit about my story. I feel like the driving passion that took me outside of the church rhythm was a conviction. I don’t know what the statistic is. I don’t know if anybody knows, but let’s say that 80% of our culture doesn’t wake up thinking; I need to go to church. We know the answer is Jesus but they aren’t thinking about Jesus or the church most of the time. Without a friend they probably aren’t going to go to church. Even if they have a crisis, they’re probably going to turn to a friend instead of the church.
So my core conviction is we have to almost reteach people how to make friends for Jesus. Many don’t know how to be a friend or to talk about Jesus inside of their relationships.
People often don’t know how to live in the non-Christian world. Friends don’t want to be preached at and they certainly don’t want to be judged. Often we have to help them to belong before they believe. These are all core convictions that have taken me into a journey.
I truly believe that people care about spiritual things and they want spiritual help. Jesus is the answer. But we’ve been speaking in a language that the world hasn’t been able to interpret. I’m hoping and praying that in these days we can begin to speak a language that people can hear and receive and that it’s going to be the language of love. I’m convicted of that.
This conviction comes out of a life of love. I think people are curious about why we love like we do. They wonder why we live like we do. They wonder why do we give the way that we do. When they see Jesus in us they will want the life they see. I’m guessing that’s a part of the same kind of discovery process that you’ve gone through.
Brian: Sure. Yeah.
Gary: Well, tell me about some of the things that you did there at Westside that were tools, or were methods, or strategies to get people thinking missionally, moving missionally, and living missionally.
Brian: Well, I think what the first thing that we did was; we kind of delineated a pathway that people progress spiritually. I like simplicity. I like keeping the cookies on the bottom shelf. So the words that we used were–people are either exploring, or they’re developing in their faith, or they’re influencing with their faith.
One thing that did was, it created a category for most people. Most people knew that we explore and kick the tires and become questioners or curious about faith. Then we move into spiritual practices that help develop our faith. But most people don’t realize that Jesus has called 100% of his followers to be influencers.
You know Peter went from being curious to being developed, to being tested, to being in a sense knighted or ordained. You were the sheep Peter, but now I want you to feed my sheep, now Co-Shepherd with me. So that’s the first thing that we did, we help people see that you’re part of the plan.
Brian: We’re a kingdom of priests.
Gary: Everyone is.
Brian: We’re not a kingdom of churchgoers with a few priests. We are a kingdom of priests 100%.
Brian: So just creating categories and the spiritual formation pathway helped people see themselves differently. Then we help people realize, where’s your passion? You know, we’re huge on developing passion. We’re really big about helping people understand their personal calling, what gifts they’ve been given and what passions that they have. There are an extraordinary percentage of people following Jesus who have a heart for their neighbors.
Brian: They haven’t perhaps been equipped or trained or given the right tools or the right encouragement or whatnot, to leverage that passion for making a difference for their neighbors.
Well, one tool we created to help people explore was just a fireside environment. I say we created. We didn’t create it. We just brought some form to it. Everybody knows what a campfire is. We encouraged guys and gals to go light a campfire. Invite some of your neighborhood friends put it in your driveway instead of your back porch so that people can see it and invite these guys just to come to hang out.
Once they are there you can ask a couple of questions. You know, how are you doing with your life? Where are you stuck in your life? Then you can share from your wisdom about your experience with Christ. You could call it spiritual or just call it, this is what I’ve learned. You could say this is what God taught me. In that atmosphere we can become better men, husbands, and fathers. So a lot of people do that. We created different things like that at the Explore level.
Gary: That’s great, and I hear stories all the time about firesides.
Brian: Oh yeah.
Gary: I hang out at Westside, and I run into people, especially men who are talking about firesides.
Brian: Oh yeah. Oh yeah, they’re fantastic.
Brian: We would use that as relationship building. People would come to Christ a lot in those environments and then they would move on to more of a development phase. A lot of them would turn around and go back and start to lead their own fire at their place.
Gary: Yeah. So run through those stages again real quick.
Brian: Exploring, developing, and then learning to influence.
Gary: Okay, so what’s an example of the developing?
Brian: Most of our Life groups are developing type of groups. Some of the ones that we created, the biggest one that we created at Westside, was called Followers Made. I would say that’s kind of toward the back end of the development process.
There are others that we use; like 33, the series that is kind of a Men’s fraternity shorter version. There are all kinds of that development type stuff out there. I think we’re saturated in the American church with development type of tools. But one that we created where we saw extraordinary spiritual growth happen for both men and women was called Followers Made.
Disciples Made is the ministry I started. Followers Made is one of our experiences and Leaders Made is another one of our experiences, The reason we use the language we do is because we want people to get to the point after they’ve been through these experiences not to need other leaders in their lives anymore. They’re a disciple that has been made. They’re a follower that’s been made.
How are they made? They’ve become more dependent and interdependent. They’ve become more dependent on the Spirit and independent with other like-minded followers.
Let’s say that they were cast out on an island somewhere or a bomb went off somehow, and all the churches and all the church leaders were done, they have everything that they need. The ability to read scripture, to hear the voice of Jesus, to confirm the voice of Jesus in other friends, to know their passion, they know their gifts; they know their calling. They are growing, and they can get the kingdom done.
So Followers Made would be a great example of the developing. Then Leaders Made for influencing and The Bless Rhythms and Simple Church and some of the other things.
Gary: I remember sitting in a conference where you were leading and you were talking about Followers Made. You used some large number of people that have tracked through these development classes that you’re talking about. Share that, please. I was inspired frankly by what I heard.
Brian: Followers Made is a six-month process, so it’s not like it’s a four, five, six weeks curriculum. T’s a six-month process. We started them in about 2013 and by 2017; I think it is when we had about 850 to 950 go through.
Gary: Yeah, that’s what I remember.
Brian: That’s because we multiplied leaders and taught other people to influence the people around them. That was just at Westside, There were another 1,200 to 1,500 outside of Westside, in churches in Kansas City, and around the country.
Gary: Yeah, and then God gave you a big vision for the nation, so share that.
Brian: Two iterations of that; I was challenged by a church leader who asked, what’s the big, crazy dream that God has put on your heart? Then he pointed to us, and he said, here’s my problem with you, My perception of what God can do through you is more significant than your own. So you need to think. You need to ask God and dream big.
I remember writing down on a napkin the phrase “50 disciple-making movements in Kansas City by 2025” because I had learned the definition of a movement. I went back and discovered that that’s what we had started there at Westside. I was like well; if God can use this guy to do that because I am not that smart then this guy could probably help other people do the same. So that became my burden.
I started rallying other church leaders in town to come and learn best practices together. Then about two years after, we were back with the same leader who was sharing the same story, and I was almost tuning out until he said some of you had heard this before, and you need to ask yourself again. It went from 50 disciple-making movements in Kansas City by 2025 to 50 cities with 50 disciples making movements by 2040–that would be a million people who’ve developed their character and calling.
Gary: That’s awesome. I heard you share that and I was inspired by it. Then you gave us a poker chip.
Brian: Oh, man. You know one of the great sayings in poker, that’s been popularized in the last decade, and a half or so is, “I’m all in.” That’s where you take all your chips, and you shove them to the middle, and you say I’m betting on this hand and the hand that God’s dealt me is this burden, this vision. So we put it on a poker chip to say we’re going all in and invite you to do the same.
Gary: Yeah, and for our listeners this could look like a variety of things. I mean, I think about “all in” for someone being the first time they’ve dared to talk about Jesus outside of a safe setting. You know the church is almost like a greenhouse effect, where everything is perfect in this climate. Of course, we’re going to talk about Jesus there. But we get out in the open fields where most of us live, play, and learn, and it’s not quite as easy. However, people find out they can do this.
I was talking to someone just recently, and it’s funny, Brian, almost every day, because I get to lead this ministry we call Love KC, I’ll hear people tell me their stories. So on email or a text or they’ll call or some way or another they’ll reach out, and they tell me their stories. This is so much fun because I hear stories all the time.
So this one person was excited. She decided and told God; okay I’m going to talk about Jesus in the open spaces like they always say. God, if you give me a chance, I will. So then she’s sitting at this table where they’re talking about something, and there’s maybe, I don’t know eight or ten ladies, if I have the story right, together. They’re talking and introducing themselves going around the circle and she decides, Okay, I’m going to do it. I’m going to tell people that I’m seeking after Jesus and that I’m trying to grow spiritually and I don’t know exactly where it’s going to lead, I certainly don’t have it all together, but I’m on that journey. That was about the essence of what she said.
Her heart was beating fast, and there was this awkward pause, and no one said anything. She was thinking, well, that went well. A few minutes later, she excused herself to use the restroom. When she did, you know how ladies always have to go in pairs, someone said, I’d go with you. They jumped up and went to the restroom.
She got inside the restroom and this other lady said, Wow, I needed to hear that. I want that too, and what are you doing about that? They had this conversation about growing spiritually and seeking after Jesus. She thought, oh, wow, I did do it and people can!
So for some people who are just starting, that’s their “all-in” moment.
Brian: Absolutely, and what I love about that story is that it just demonstrates that she was “all in” to create the space for it to happen because only God can make those kinds of things happen. But she was “all in” to be able to make it happen.
Brian: I’ve got two stories just personally, where I first started doing that. Of course, it was easy; I was trained with two bachelor degrees to talk about Jesus in a church setting. But then I learned almost all the training that I received was, well–do you already do and just become more intentional about that.
Brian: Well, my kids were playing baseball. They were both on baseball teams and so I just started there. I have this saying that I said a lot. I still say it. Pray big and obey small. So I pray big prayers for God, you know? You say to God, I want to be used by You. I want to be used by You wherever You want me. The boys play baseball if I can be used in baseball then maybe that’s something God can use. But then I obey small. Typically we think if we pray big then we’ve got to follow big and it’s going to be some burning bush experience.
Brian: No! Obey small. I remember watching my oldest son’s baseball team. The coach was great as far as the mechanics of the game and the strategies of the game. But he had a horrible bench side manner. He would crush the demeanor of the kids with his anger and things like that. I just walked down to the coach, and I said you know I’ve got an issue I want to share with you, but I also want to bring you a solution. This was just because of a small nudge that God had given me. I said, I don’t know anything about baseball, so I’m not even going to pretend that I do but I know an awful lot about character development. So I don’t know if you need a character coach of some kind but if you want I’ll run the bench. I’ll have these boys ready to play their tails off for you.
Gary: That’s awesome.
Brian: So, I became the character coach. I started to build a relationship with this guy. Certainly I built relationships with other parents and what not and ended up having a baseball team of my own. So that was one thing. Then we started to train other folks how they could be a character coach.
Gary: That’s awesome.
Brian: So that’s just one little bitty story.
Brian: Another thing that I love and I don’t know if I’ll get in trouble for sharing this. I’ll probably never be brought back to do the podcast again but I’ve grown an affinity for the game, Texas Hold ’em.
Gary: Okay, sure.
Brian: That was something that I did with my friends, my Christian friends, to just chill and relax. Then I heard the challenge; go “all in.” You know, Jesus says, I went all in for you. Now why don’t you use your environments to go all in for God creating things like this? So my poker table has become an environment to invite folks that do not share my faith. My kids have heard all kinds of stuff in our basement, and that’s been a challenge at times, and there’s more drama at my poker table than I want but man, the stories that have started to evolve!
Gary: Well, what I love about that is you created a space where there was an equal place at the table. It wasn’t Christians versus non-Christians. I mean its Christians and non-Christians. Faith wasn’t the issue. You were playing a game. But in the process, you’re mixing Christians with non-Christians.
Gary: That’s one thing I think that all of us need to keep thinking about is how do we cross-pollinate our culture with the love of Jesus? We’ve got to get out of our safe Christian circles and get into places where we can intersect with the non-church people on their territory because they feel safer when they’re on their territory.
Brian: You love them to love them; not love them to get a decision.
Gary: Right. I love that. Well, talk about your book. I want to hear a little bit about the motivation to write the book. I’ve been reading it. I think I told you at the beginning when we were talking; I’m an hour from being done. I’ve actually been listening on an Audible and enjoying it. But tell me a little bit about your heart and passion. What drove you to write it? And what are you hoping to get out of that?
Brian: The book is called, Find Your Place, locating your calling through your gifts, passion, and story, Zondervan published it. I think the opening chapter pretty much tells the why. I would consider myself a directionless, low self-esteem, low self-confidence guy. If you met me today that would be one of the last things you’d thought I lived with growing up.
I still live with it now but I was desperately in bad straights growing up. I had no self-worth whatsoever. Nevertheless I felt called to go into the ministry. When I got to the town where I went to seminary I was part of a small church. I was the Youth Director. The Pastor makes me take this dumb gift assessment, and I call it dumb because I didn’t want to do it.
I’m already called. This makes no sense why I would do this. Then I got the results and it said I was a teacher more than anything else. I hated that because my mom’s a middle school teacher and I wanted to do anything but that! But I started teaching and I recognized that God began to do something through me that He had not done for people before when I served. I had found my place, and then, of course, that story has evolved.
I came alive in my pursuit of Christ when I discovered that He could use me to advance his purposes. I didn’t have the term “personal calling” back then. I didn’t know about spiritual gifts. So as a disciple-maker; as one who started to use my gifts to make disciples and whatnot, I recognized over and over and over again that people have an “ought to” when it comes to spiritual formation. However, most lacked a kind of intrinsic motivation to become more like Christ.
Helping people discern their spiritual gifts, their passions, their personal calling–became my fuel. I wanted them to discover what was born inside of them, through Jesus’ presence, so they would want to pursue, not just the things that they did for Christ, but who they were becoming in Christ. And more than that, to have that passion to go “all in” and create that kind of space for others that are outside of church to investigate more who Jesus is because of the way they live their lives.
Gary: We all need what you’re describing.
Brian: Yeah. Oh yeah.
Gary: Then it is that very thing that’s so attractive to a person in the world who’s searching. If they don’t have a purpose or they don’t have a sense of identity they are missing out.
Brian: Oh yeah.
Gary: This speaks to the desire inside of them to have more purposefulness in their lives. Explain the idea of G.P.S. In the book, you talk about G.P.S. and some of the tools that you’ve created to help a person discover the things you’re talking about.
Brian: Yeah. Well, a quick review of the G.P.S. that we all know we’ve got them in our watches. We’ve got them in our phones. We have them in our cars or whatnot. It’s a global positioning satellite system that triangulates signals from multiple satellites, way out in orbit, to let us know where we are on the planet. And if we put in the coordinates where we want to go, it’ll give us the directions to get there.
Brian: So pulling from that analogy, I believe that if we triangulate the three signals of our gifts–our spiritual gifts, and our natural abilities which are our passions plus the people that were passionate about and the causes that we’re passionate about (the kind of the way we influence people) we can triangulate the gifts and the passions and the signal of the story, we will know where we are, and it will help us know where we need to go.
As I look back on my story, I ask, where have I seen these gifts and passions being used in my life? Where did God start to cultivate them in my life? Then I can see kind of the next step that I should take in my life So the book and our online assessment, which is free actually, anybody listening to this podcast can go right now can go to giftpassionstory.com and take this free assessment.
If you’re a church leader, you can purchase from us the ability to send out invitations to this, and then you get to keep all that information, and access all that information on the back-end. You can even run queries for people to help them find their calling or do volunteer roles within your church.
All those tools you can get the book. You can take the online assessment. And you can discover your gifts and your passions. Then we encourage you to do a reflection on where God’s leading you in your story so that you can be more activated, so to speak, with that personal calling.
Gary: That’s exciting. I’m glad you did that work and hopefully our listeners will take you up on that.
Gary: Well, as we come to the close Brian, if you had a chance to kind of speak to the listener and say one or two things as clearly and passionately as you could say them about what it means to be living life on mission, what would you say to them?
Brian: I would without a doubt say, that character (x) calling = impact. I know that’s a formula so I’ll need to unpack it just a bit. So Jesus, in John 10, said that I came that you might have life and have it to the full, like fully alive. The thief came to steal, kill, and destroy. I’ve seen his work. I’ve seen his work in my life. I’ve seen his work on the news. I see his work in the lives of many others. Jesus said I came to make it all right.
Brian: He’s invited us onto a masterpiece mission to join Him in the ultimate mission of restoring all of Earth back to heaven. That phrase in the Lord’s Prayer, “Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven”…we get to participate in that! If I’m growing in character or if I’m allowing the Spirit of God to make me more like Jesus over and over, I’m becoming the person that I never thought I could be–that’s living fully alive!
You get to model this for your kids. You model for your neighbors. And you’re modeling for those guys that come over to the poker table that don’t act like that. You model what Jesus looks like. It’s a thrill ride. And if you are actually allowing that Spirit of God; who has deposited spiritual gifts into you, to use those gifts to reach his people whether you teach, or administrate, or lead or pray or heal or whatever it is, just experiencing the power of God working through you, that’s fully alive!
I would wholeheartedly say, Gary, that whether you’re praying, sharing, or caring, or whether you’re leading within a church, whatever you’re doing–live fully alive. This is why Jesus died and was raised again from the dead so that we could experience this. That’s what He wants for you. And He wants you, not just to fill up churches, but he wants you to fill the whole world with His presence, with His love through his power for His glory forever and ever. I think that’s what I would say.
Gary: I love it, and I wouldn’t try to add to that. That was a pinnacle statement there. I love the fact that when you talk about these things you’re talking about a kingdom-come kind of mentality. It is transformation that takes place in us, and then it affects those around us. The cumulative effect of all of us living this way transforms our world. That’s why Jesus did what he did.
Brian: Well, for some reason, I’m thinking right now of the story of the woman who brought up two pennies.
Brian: You know everybody else would have dismissed it but Jesus took note, and He was moved by it.
Gary: He was.
Brian: I think there are so many people that when they hear this idea of praying and caring and sharing they believe that you’ve got to be Arnold Schwarzenegger spiritually. I hope people, this would be the other thing I would say, Gary, I hope people realize that as we go “all in” with our two cents, that God will use it. He’ll take note for one but that He will also use it to do some extraordinary things.
Gary: Yeah, I love that. There’s going to be some people that are reached by the woman who gives two cents that would never be reached by someone who’s in a position like you are or like I am. They will trust that voice. They will maybe actually lean into it in a different way than they would hear from someone else.
Brian: Very much so.
Gary: Thanks for bringing that up. Well, today Brian Phipps has been our guest with Disciples Made. He’s talked about his book if you haven’t got that yet. Then we will post the place to get it inside the blog.
So go and find it the blog post at Lovekc.net. We would encourage you to continue living the pray, care, and share lifestyle. Live in such a way that you’re joining Jesus where He’s already at work because our great confidence is He’s out working ahead of us. It’s His responsibility to awaken hearts, not ours. We come alongside him, and we have this great privilege of co-working, partnering with Jesus, to see life-change. In my opinion that’s the greatest thing on Earth; it’s the reason that we live.
So thanks for listening to the BLESS podcast, like it, share it and let’s continue to join Jesus where he’s already at work.
Donna: Thanks for joining in today for the BLESS podcast. People often ask what do the letters stand for in B.L.E.S.S. We like to think of B.L.E.S.S. as a lifestyle where we “B,” begin with prayer. “L,” we listen to God and others. “E,” we eat together. “S,” we serve and “S,” we share our story and we share the story of Jesus.
We not only pray that every home in America will be adopted by a disciple who lives this lifestyle but also that those that do, will join their efforts to build missional communities where we live, learn, work, and play.
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